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01648: Re: [WDDM] Getting the whole picture about DD

From: Antonio Rossin <rossin(at)tin.it>
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 07:41:11 +0100
Subject: Re: [WDDM] Getting the whole picture about DD

Jim Powell ha scritto:

Hi Antonio,

I do not agree that this will lead to dictatorship.

We may disagree with the methods that are put forward but this
concentrates on the differences.

Mainstream communication is required.


Hi Jim,

These words of yours sound strange to a fellow - like me -
who lived in a country ( Italy) under fascistic dictatorship.
Maybe in your country you've got no such background.

The best way is to introduce “the way things work” into the school
curriculum.
This would examine the way in which decisions are made.

The fertile mind of the child would then ask why?


I do not agree totally with this .
The best way is to introduce "the way things work" into the family
curriculum, at the zero-to-three age, when parents are still the only
teachers and the child is learning communicated things not only, but
also how communication works within interpersonal (within social,
later) relationships. There the problem is, how to save children from
their "fertile minds" getting sterilized by family dictatorship, imho.

About this topic, if you were interested in, I have some stuff at:
http://evans-experientialism.freewebspace.com/rossin08.htm
(and at .../rossin09.htm, if you were interested in how differences
work inside mainstream communication, to wit, Dialectics.)

Simple logic would then have them realize that the system is not
representative of the will of the people.

Regards

Jim Powell

See my "idea" about this point in a previous post of mine.

There I question: how does the real will of the people work?
" - for good or bad purposes - ? "

Which becomes, now: "with a fertile or with a sterilized mind?"


Regards

ant

*From:* Antonio Rossin
*Sent:* 13 Mar 2008 07:34 AM
*To:* wddm@world-wide-democracy.net
*Cc:* epistemology(at)yahoogroups.com
*Subject:* Re: [WDDM] Getting the whole picture about DD

Georges,

The problem of (the lack of) Democracy is not that of
communicating valuable stuff -- such as yours below --
to people.

Instead, it is about how to communicate any stuff --
encompassing yours -- to people, so to enable them
to deal with.

In other words, that's not a problem of communicating.
That's a problem of meta-communicating.

If you were unable to understand the difference, as you
seem as, you are a damage to Democracy, because you
are leading towards (scientific) dictatorship.


Regards,

antonio





Georges Metanomski ha scritto:

--- Vijayaraghavan Padmanabhan
vijayaraghavan.p(at)rediffmail.com wrote:

I&amp;BR is focussed on


the process that would enable True Democracy but it

does not tell us how to get there.



=============
G:
For once a reasonable statement. It's not for us to
discusse, let alone to dictate which forms should take
the DD governance. Once established, it will be for
the
Forum to determine them. All we can do is to see how
to
get there. Years ago I proposed a way that I called
"Shadow Parliament". I cannot be judge and party, so
it should be discussed by other people.

It's available in

http://findgeorges.com/ROOT/WRITINGS/POLITICS/shadow_eng.html

I quote here it's conclusion:

QUOTE
Three issues seem essential for starting to move
towards the DD:

1.Getting a Shadow Parliament within the Particracy.

2.Establish a logistic 3 Functions support.

3.Propound Sincerity, which appears to be the
critical condition of DD. A very limited experience
seems to point to "self applicable attitude".
An example:
A small forum discussed pollution and found out
rightly
or wrongly that the worst pollution source is the
factory breeding of animals. Besides pollution it
involves unacceptable suffering of animals and mental
corruption of attendants who become potential sadistic
Auschwitz guards. The group condemned eating meat. Not
as a theoretical principle, but as a self applying
decision and all members stopped eating meat.
Another very limited and positive experience consisted

in stages in Kibbutzim, confronting fellows with the
sincerity of the unique ever realized genuine DD.
UNQUOTE
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