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01577: RE: [WDDM] Direct Democracy or anarchy???

From: ROY DAINE <rdaine(at)btinternet.com>
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 22:40:34 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: RE: [WDDM] Direct Democracy or anarchy???

Hi Shaun,

Representative democracy is a misnomer. There is no representation of the will of the people. In most representative democracies, the representatives are decision makers, representative of a geogrphical area, a constituency.

They are not required to represent the majority view of constituents.

How could they be? No country has an official mechanism for collecting the majority view.

It is my belief that the governance of all countries, barring Switzerland, cannot be deemed legitimate under international law, as their constitutions, written or otherwise, have not been ratified by the people.

(International law enshrines the inalienable right of a people to self-determination. This right flows to the people, not governments or nations. The Swiss are the only people to have ratified their constitution, as far as I know, in 1999.)

You will find that originally, power was taken by the strongest, who then decided on the form and functions of government and imposed it on the people. This is true for most countries.

Best Regards
Roy Daine
myverdict.net


Shaun Taliana <talias(at)tpg.com.au> wrote:
HI all

People need leadership. No leadership and we have anarchy. Direct democracy is the collective decision making process of the people REGARDLESS of how that decision making process is undertook. I belive that representative democracy has everything it needs to instill the peoples will in the political process; although many of you belive otherwise. A decision making process without government is essentially anarchy. When you speak of direct democracy think in terms of whats practical and what is realistically acheiveable.

If there are Australians amongst you please reply to me directly in regards to how we can set up direct democracy in Australia.

All the best, Shaun


Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 13:38:38 -0600
From: bruceeggum(at)gmail.com
To: wddm@world-wide-democracy.net
Subject: Re: [WDDM] Direct Democracy with Obama

Thanks Martin,
You point out again the reason the people MUST have their own ASSEMBLY of people. The people deliberate matters, come to conclusions for their community, country, and direct their government in what the government's must do and not do.

Business and other factions have their power in government. Business and factions can be limited in their power of community if the people desire to address the problem

People need leading? I prefer to say they need alternatives and awareness. Once the people understand they have the right, responsibility and can control government they will do so happily.

ATB Bruce


On Feb 19, 2008 1:10 PM, <Annette and Martin> wrote:
B. Thomas Marking, the masses will need leading to direct democracy, all businesses that have enbraced direct democracy had the top of the business supporting it, there are powerful force's that sit above government, and it is very hard for anyone to challenge it.
l have read a few articles already that have said Barack Obama will be assassinated, so he may need as many supporters as he can get,
All the best
Martin
----- Original Message -----
From: wingsprd
To: wddm@world-wide-democracy.net
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 5:14 PM
Subject: RE: [WDDM] Direct Democracy with Obama

All --  An interesting discussion is flowing from the Obama phenomenon.
I, however, am dismayed at how easily so many Americans are succumbing to
the "cult of personality" -- even our WDDM brethren. 

If we believe in direct democracy, how can we surrender our faith to any
one politician, however appealing, and remain true to the cause.  Whatever
promises are made, nothing happens without some 300 other egos going along.   

The only change that means anything would be a commitment to giving
Americans the right to vote on issues of their own choosing and have their
decisions bind the Legislative, Executive and Judicial branches to action.

Everyone seems to agree that Washington is broken.  Duh - but I guess that
indicates some progress in public awareness.  Now -- does anyone really
believe that electing another member of the  (D) & (R ) club, who broke it in
the first place, will result in it being fixed? 

B. Thomas Marking                    Please visit:   www.FirstDemocracy.org
admin1(at)firstdemocracy.org  



-----Original Message-----
From: Annette and Martin [ajackson123(at)bigpond.com]
Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 1:18 PM
To: wddm@world-wide-democracy.net
Subject: Re: [WDDM] Direct Democracy with Obama
 
Bruce, he is the best thing that has happened to America since JFK,
Regards Martin
----- Original Message -----

To: wddm@world-wide-democracy.net
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 12:30 AM
Subject: [WDDM] Direct Democracy with Obama
 
Direct Democracy with people inner-actions see plan below.

Plan to Change Washington

"I am in this race to tell the corporate lobbyists that their days of setting the agenda in Washington are over. I have done more than any other candidate in this race to take on lobbyists ― and won. They have not funded my campaign, they will not get a job in my White House, and they will not drown out the voices of the American people when I am president."
― Barack Obama, Speech in Des Moines, IA, November 10, 2007

At a Glance

 
Speak your mind and help set the policies that will guide this campaign and change the country.
·       Present your ideas
 
Watch the Video

The Problem
Lobbyists Write National Policies: For example, Vice President Dick Cheney's Energy Task Force of oil and gas lobbyists met secretly to develop national energy policy.
Secrecy Dominates Government Actions: The Bush administration has ignored public disclosure rules and has invoked a legal tool known as the "state secrets" privilege more than any other previous administration to get cases thrown out of civil court.
Wasteful Spending is Out of Control: The current administration has abused its power by handing out contracts without competition to its politically connected friends and supporters. These abuses cost taxpayers billions of dollars each year.

Barack Obama's Plan

Shine the Light on Washington Lobbying

·       Centralize Ethics and Lobbying Information for Voters: Obama will create a centralized Internet database of lobbying reports, ethics records, and campaign finance filings in a searchable, sortable and downloadable format.
·       Require Independent Monitoring of Lobbying Laws and Ethics Rules: Obama will use the power of the presidency to fight for an independent watchdog agency to oversee the investigation of congressional ethics violations so that the public can be assured that ethics complaints will be investigated.
·       Support Campaign Finance Reform: Obama supports public financing of campaigns combined with free television and radio time as a way to reduce the influence of moneyed special interests. Obama introduced public financing legislation in the Illinois State Senate, and is the only 2008 candidate to have sponsored Senator Russ Feingold's (D-WI) tough bill to reform the presidential public financing system.

Shine the Light on Federal Contracts, Tax Breaks and Earmarks

·       Create a Public "Contracts and Influence" Database: As president, Obama will create a "contracts and influence" database that will disclose how much federal contractors spend on lobbying, and what contracts they are getting and how well they complete them.
·       Expose Special Interest Tax Breaks to Public Scrutiny: Barack Obama will ensure that any tax breaks for corporate recipients ― or tax earmarks ― are also publicly available on the Internet in an easily searchable format.
·       End Abuse of No-Bid Contracts: Barack Obama will end abuse of no-bid contracts by requiring that nearly all contract orders over $25,000 be competitively awarded.
·       Sunlight Before Signing: Too often bills are rushed through Congress and to the president before the public has the opportunity to review them. As president, Obama will not sign any non-emergency bill without giving the American public an opportunity to review and comment on the White House website for five days.
·       Shine Light on Earmarks and Pork Barrel Spending: Obama's Transparency and Integrity in Earmarks Act will shed light on all earmarks by disclosing the name of the legislator who asked for each earmark, along with a written justification, 72 hours before they can be approved by the full Senate.

Bring Americans Back into their Government

·       Hold 21st Century Fireside Chats: Obama will bring democracy and policy directly to the people by requiring his Cabinet officials to have periodic national broadband townhall meetings to discuss issues before their agencies.
·       Make White House Communications Public: Obama will amend executive orders to ensure that communications about regulatory policymaking between persons outside government and all White House staff are disclosed to the public.
·       Conduct Regulatory Agency Business in Public: Obama will require his appointees who lead the executive branch departments and rulemaking agencies to conduct the significant business of the agency in public, so that any citizen can see in person or watch on the Internet these debates.
·       Release Presidential Records: Obama will nullify the Bush attempts to make the timely release of presidential records more difficult.
 

Free the Executive Branch from Special Interest Influence

·       Close the Revolving Door on Former and Future Employers: No political appointees in an Obama administration will be permitted to work on regulations or contracts directly and substantially related to their prior employer for two years. And no political appointee will be able to lobby the executive branch after leaving government service during the remainder of the administration.
·       Free Career Officials from the Influence of Politics: Obama will issue an executive order asking all new hires at the agencies to sign a form affirming that no political appointee offered them the job solely on the basis of political affiliation or contribution.
·       Reform the Political Appointee Process: FEMA Director Michael Brown was not qualified to head the agency, and the result was a disaster for the people of the Gulf Coast. But in an Obama administration, every official will have to rise to the standard of proven excellence in the agency's mission.

Barack Obama's Record:

·       Federal Ethics Reform: Obama and Senator Feingold (D-WI) took on both parties and proposed ethics legislation that was described as the "gold standard" for reform. It was because of their leadership that ending subsidized corporate jet travel, mandating disclosure of lobbyists' bundling of contributions, and enacting strong new restrictions of lobbyist-sponsored trips became part of the final ethics bill that was signed into law. The Washington Post wrote in an editorial, "The final package is the strongest ethics legislation to emerge from Congress yet."
·       Google for Government: Americans have the right to know how their tax dollars are spent, but that information has been hidden from public view for too long. That's why Barack Obama and Senator Tom Coburn (R-OK) passed a law to create a Google-like search engine to allow regular people to approximately track federal grants, contracts, earmarks, and loans online. The Chicago Sun-Times wrote, "It would enable the public to see where federal money goes and how it is spent. It's a brilliant idea."
·       Illinois Reform: In 1998, Obama joined forces with former U.S. Sen. Paul Simon (D-IL) to pass the toughest campaign finance law in Illinois history. The legislation banned the personal use of campaign money by Illinois legislators and banned most gifts from lobbyists. Before the law was passed, one organization ranked Illinois worst among 50 states for its campaign finance regulations.
·       A High Standard: Unlike other candidates Obama's campaign refuses to accept contributions from Washington lobbyists and political action committees.

For More Information about Barack's Plan


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Gresham Wisconsin, USA
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