From: | Antonio Rossin <rossin(at)tin.it> |
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Date: | Wed, 25 Jul 2007 16:00:16 +0200 |
Subject: | Re: [WDDM] Repeted answer to Antonio |
Ok. But a question arises now: has the human language the intrinsic
I do not follow you here.
G:
Here we go again. You say there's democracy and Democracy. I'm sure
there's
dEMOCRACY too and a friend of mine knows someone who claimes he saw
a DeMoCraCy once. Calling different situations with the same name
generates
only confusion. On the other hand pretending an existing situation
is "better"
that it really is remains a bad sign of schizophrenia IMHO.
Please let's separate dreams from reality. Dreams are a necessary
drive for
anyone. But reality has its own necessities.
First: because there is difference from the reality outside, and the
reality inside
our words. Do you know about Alfred Korzybski's renown axiom:
"*The map is not the territory*"? As how I understand it, our
descriptions of
reality are all maps of the reality outside.
Reality (facts) has a different "weight" compared to our dreams and
thoughts.
I agree
Second, and subsequent: Since all of what we put into words about
reality
are maps, let's agree that one's map can be better than another's.
Yes, words pointing at a map closer to reality are to be preferred.
Words pointing
at something that has never existed are to be avoided.
Agreed again
Third: "Reality", has no necessities. It is the one who maps out the
reality,
who has necessities, according with one's own ability to draw out and
read
maps, and the usefulness of the latter in avoiding blind alleys,
ruins and like.
A stone has the necessity to fall down, once thrown. Newton did an
excellent
job describing it. Again i see that reality has necessities we don't
necessarily see.
Oil is going to end soon, no matter how far we like to put that end.
Vulcanos
will burst, tornados will strike, earthquakes will shake the earth,
the sun will
heat the air up, the snow will freeze it. We can try to describe this
with poetry
or scientific formulae, but reality will care very little about it.
History has always shown just one face of democracy, no matter
how you like to write it. It's about 2500 years that the elites are
"democratically" ruling the people.
I don't follow you, here. The term for the elites ruling the people
is oligarchy,
and not "democracy". Period.
Read on Wiki:
"All the Athenian citizens were eligible to speak and vote in the
Assembly, which set the
laws of the city-state, but neither political rights, nor citizenship,
were granted to women <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women>, slaves
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slaves>, or
metics <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metics>. Of the 250,000
inhabitants only some
30,000 on average were citizens. Of those 30,000 perhaps 5,000 might
regularly attend
one or more meetings of the popular Assembly."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy
Are you trying to convince me that 5,000 citizens out of 250,000 is
not an elite?
Question mark.
Questioning is not always a sign of wisdom. Would you question
driving on
the right lane?
Of course I do.
First, I question myself for whether that is the right lane.
If I'm unable to experience it myself, I search for the authority who
decided
that that is the right lane, and question him-her for which criteria
he-she used
to decide that that was the right lane.
Any question more ? ;-)
Yes. Should you find their criteria "irrational" for reasons only you
know, would
you drive on the left lane then? (English and Australian drivers
please forgive me.....).
Ok., but the overall structure remains a fractal, and there are
But unfortunately, the oil is no endless energy resource. Perhaps in
Dear Giorgio,
I cannot control the offer of oil in the markets of London and New
York.
I can only control my demand of oil
Do you own a solar powered car maybe? You can't control nearly anything
in the oil process. Surely you need it to move, and you (anyone,
actually)
indirectly use a huge amount of it even without moving. I read
somewhere
that the few KJoule of a steak are nothing compared to the KJoule
needed to
transport, stock, refrigerate and cook it. Can you control this? The
system is
too big now to be controlled. And i'm quite sure that even at the
top of the
pyramidal societies people don't know much how to handle it. It's
enough
for them to keep it running the way they like it.
Regards
Giorgio
forty,
perhaps in fifty years the oil will end. But it will end: may I
suggest you,
while wishing you an everlasting life, to be prepared for the oil end by
providing yourself with a bicycle? Maybe some training with it could be
the case.
Ciao,
antonio
If i correctly uderstand your words you're picturing out a future
situation where
no oil is available and we all will be forced to use the pushbike.
Such future can't
disturb me, as i like riding my bike. My question: given that we know
that sooner
or later the oil will end, why alternative solutions haven't been
studied and planned?
What power do common people have to decide to switch, for instance,
from oil to
solar? No power is my answer. They can only hope that oil companies,
fearing the
end of their lucrative business, try to start a new game. Hydrogen
power, for example.
Oil multinationals have been responsible for decades of censorship and
sabotage
against new projects undermining their wealth while promoting oil
consumptions.
SUVdocet. "each gallon of gasoline burned pumps 28 pounds of CO2 into the
atmosphere, the average car emits about 63 tons of CO2 over its
lifetime — and
the average SUV or pickup emits around 82 tons.
In comparison: America’s automobiles produce more global warming
pollution
than all the vehicles, power plants, and factories in Great Britain
combined."
http://www.sierraclub.org/globalwarming/factsheets/BiggestStep_05.pdf
Regards
Giorgio