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01261: Re: [WDDM] ATD 200705-04 - Shaking False Democracy to the Core

From: "M. Kolar" <wddm(at)mkolar.org>
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 15:03:50 -0700
Subject: Re: [WDDM] ATD 200705-04 - Shaking False Democracy to the Core

Dear Eric,
   after reading  you reply, I am even more convinced that my proposal is very appropriate for WDDM. (But it is only my personal proposal, to be discussed and approved/disapproved by all).
   Even before your reply I was worrying that I have not expressed myself properly, and whether my previous post would be correctly understood in the light of my promotion of the need of consensus.
   I think we are mixing here two different things together - the real-life geographical community (village, city, country) where one always knows how many members (voters) it has, and which it is not easy to leave, and an Internet group like WDDM where we have right now no precise definition what a member is, and which was created with the aim to gather together like-minded people who would like to try to do something tangible for the advancement or at least promotion of the idea of direct democracy (in our case). The fact that we have 55 members listed on the site only means that those 55 individuals at some point in the past signed up. From some of them we have never heard since then. For a few of them we have no current working e-mail address. So for all practical purposes, we can count among our real members only those who show that they are alive by sending a note at least from time to time, participate in discussions and/or vote. And any majority can be calculated only with respect to the people who participate in this way. My proposal simply was to state this fact more formally.  What practical counterproposal can you offer? Introduction of some strict member criteria, periodic compulsory member reporting?
    I think that if somebody doesn't open any e-mails from WDDM for a year, he/she effectively resigns from WDDM membership. When they then resume membership after such a self-imposed absence, is it reasonable, democratic to require from the rest that everything that has been achieved in their absence should be abandoned? How we should have known that we should wait for them, that they will ever return?  How many more reminders were we supposed to send out. What is the point to send out more reminders if somebody does not open and read them anyway?
    Again we never wanted to be a model of the society at large, where we would lose time chatting for example about whether some sort of society of un-equal citizens, or class-based society, or enlightened dictatorship is better than democracy. I thought that we were trying to attract here only the people who already came by their own rational analysis of the present situation to the conclusion that the introduction of real (direct) democracy would be beneficial to all. I do not see anything religious in this.
    Again why not to have WDDM as a federation of various groups -  active group who wants to do something tangible, e.g. at least experiment with Internet-based democratic procedures, a discussion club,  a group of sympathizers who just want to express one-time support, and maybe get some news from time to time???
    Even in a real-life community (country) I would not hurry with the accusation of the false-majority in every case when voter turn-out is small. It depends on the details of the voting system. Why did those 60 millions of voters of your example not participated? If the voting system is such that had they participated and were able to cast vote against those who won without their participation, and such a vote would result in a different government, and they knew about this, then either one has to blame at least partially the laziness of those 60 millions for the undesirable result, or they were not lazy, and were happy with whatever the result will be, or they wanted the result received and knew that it would arrive even without their participation. In any case they got what they wanted or what they deserved for their laziness to participate to show interest in public matters. I believe that on average people in all countries have the government that they deserve or are even more or less satisfied with. Only if the voting system is such that had those 60 millions participated, and no matter how they voted, the result would always be the same, undesirable, they were right in boycotting the elections, and you can call this a case of false majority.

  Mirek

lpc1998 wrote:
Dear PVR, Mark, Filia, Annette & Albano, Mirek & Nicolas,

No Mirek, I do not make any claim "that only 6 members participated in the deliberation and approval of the present Charter. ...  " The relevant text of my email is reproduced below for easy reference. It begins with "For example, if ..." meaning that it is not a statement of fact or claim. It is only an illustration of, in this case, what I understand by a "true majority" in decision-making. I do not know how many members actually participated in the deliberation and approval of the present Charter. After the twists and turns of last year's attempt at writing the WDDM Current Oprating Rules, I have decided then to join the non-participating majority. Except for a couple or two which were open out of curiosity, most emails on the WDDM organisational matters were transferred to a folder unread. I do not wish to re-visit the circumstances surrounding last year's events.

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Eric:
"For example, if we have a membership of 54, and only 6 members participate in the deliberation process and even if all 6 approve and endorse the Charter, it is only the Charter of the said 6, because for it to be a current majority decision of the WDDM, it needs to be approved by a simple true majority of 28 members out of 54 (i.e at least, 50%+1, the simple and honest meaning of a true majority)."

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The figures 54 and 6 in this quote were picked up from an email I read out of convenience and what I thought to be closer to reality, but unfortunately it has caused confusion and for this I apologise.

For avoidance of confusion, I wish to amend the figures in the relevant text from 54 to 100 and 6 to 10 respectively. The substance and logic of my illustration remain unchanged. Thus, the amended version of the relevent text is as follows:

"For example, if we have a membership of 100, and only 10 members participate in the deliberation process and even if all 10 approve and endorse the Charter, it is only the Charter of the said 10, because for it to be a current majority decision of the WDDM, it needs to be approved by a simple true majority of 51 members out of 100 (i.e at least, 50%+1, the simple and honest meaning of a true majority)."

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The issue of false majority is a critical one in the battle against false democracy. False majority is the core pillar of false democracy. This is because the ruling elites of a country seldom obtain a true majority in a ballot. So they invented a legal fiction majority. As an illustration, let us say there are 100 million voters in the country. Voters turnout is only 40%; i.e 40 million voters voted in the election. In order to declare a victor among the competing elites, they have written into the country's constitution that the condidate who polls the greatest number of "valid" votes wins. The "valid" votes in the illustration invariably would be less than 40 million after deducting the "disqualified" votes which includes the spoilt, blank and protest votes.

So in a false democracy:

1  The ruling elites survives on legal fictions contrary to the actual facts or truths;

2  They seldom have a true majority of 50%+1 of the total eligible votes and consequently they do not have the moral authority to govern the country. Their rule is often characterised by the extensive use of the coercive powers of the state;

3  Since they do not have the true majority of 50%+1 from the people, their claim of having won the mandate from the people is often not only false, but also an outright lie, a cheat and blatantly dishonest since such claims are made knowingly.

4  They conveniently disregard the voters who have rejected participation in their balloting processes and yet they shamelessly claim the right to govern these disregarded voters with their consent (the consent of these disregarded voters).

5  They conveniently justify the effective disenfranchisement of a very substantial number of voters, sometimes even a clear majority, on a so-called phenomenon of "voters' apathy" when, in fact, most voters who do not participate in the ballot or referemdum, do so intentionally because they have lost their confidence in the balloting system or processes. A fair and honest interpretation when a voter does not turn up to vote, is that he is, in fact, voting against all the prescribed condidates or issues and/or against the ballot system or processes.

6  The deeming of what the voter has, in fact, not done as having done by him through a dishonest legal process is a cynical and blatant violation of the individual's freedom of conscience or choice. The voter is effectively being robbed of his vote by a most undemocratic means.

7  The ruling elites sitting on a pedestal everywhere would most likely react vehemently against the insistence for a true majority in decision-making precisely because true majority exposes their deceit and lack of legitimacy and renders most, if not all, of their institutions and organisations unworkable.

In view of the above and of WDDM's mission to achieve true democracy for itself and for the people of the world, WDDM should reject false majority in its internal governance. Inspired WDDM members have to work hard and with preseverence to achieve true majority (50%+1) decision-making. Any candidate or issue that does not have 50%+1 of the total eligible votes does not have majority support. It is as straightforward as that. Any candidate or issue that receives 10 votes out of a total 100 eligible votes receives just that: 10 votes out of 100. Any legal fiction that converts these 10 votes into majority support is just fiction.

With such an achievement together with the resolute rejection of the use of false majority, WDDM would be leading people everywhere in shaking false democracy to the core.

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Mirek's Proposal:
"When a decision is to be made, every member must get all the information about an issue, and be informed that a vote will be held well in advance. Everybody can freely participate in all the deliberations and in the vote. If a member chooses not to participate in a vote, it will be deemed that (s)he abstained in this particular vote. By abstaining in a vote either explicitly or implicitly (by not participating at all), this member states that (s)he leaves the decision in this matters to others who are participating in the vote, and that when a decision is made,  (s)he will accept the decision made by others and not object to its implementation.
this would be the best incentive for everybody to participate if they have any opinion on the matter."


This proposal when adopted by WDDM would enshine in its Charter false majority for decison-making and would make it a false democracy too. And more importantly, WDDM would have surrendered the moral right to challenge or to lead others to challenge this core pillar of false democracy.

It also proposes to adopt the legal fiction of deeming non-participation of members as authorising others by such members to decide on their behalf. This is false and contrary to fact or truth, and a denial of a member's freedom of choice or conscience for non-participation. Also it is a bad precedence for deeming what the members or voters have not voted for as having voted for by them.

It also proposes to deny a member's right to object or to disregard decisions that do not have true majority support, a position any democracy believer is obliged to take.

In connection with the last point, it is also an implicit rejection of I&R. I&R is the mechanism for any member who objects, challenges or disputes any rule or decision of WDDM to have it amended or changed in a manner he/she believes to be necessary provided he/she could convince a true majority of the members to support the amendment or change he proposes even if such a rule or decision was made or supported by the current true majority or by a previous true majority that included him/her.

I&R ensures that no rule or decision of a democracy is cast in stone and put above the members or the people. It allows even a single member or voter, the minority of minorities, to begin a process that could bring about the necessary changes and makes progress possible.

Mirek, in view of the above, would you like to reconsider your proposal?

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Nicolas:
"I am a very strong supporter of the blank vote. I think that it needs to be added to every poll and election, and be treated as another candidate or option, meaning that if more people vote blank than for a candidate or an option, things must be re-shuffled."

Yes, Nicolas, you are right. The people must have the option to vote officially against all the prescribed candidates or issues they do not support. I would advocate one step further: to be able to vote against the system or the ballot processes in which they have no confidence. It is duty of the officials concerned to build a ballot system the people can support. They should not be allowed to sweep their incompetence or treachery under the carpet of "voters' apathy".

As it is, apart from blank vote, there is a stronger alternative known as "protest vote". It is to draw a straight line diagonally across the ballot paper to leave no doubt that the voter is not endorsing any of the prescribed candidates and/or that the voter is voting against the ballot system or processes. It also demonstrates that the voter can think out of the boxes prescribed by false democracy and to deny false democracy the pretty little crosses in these boxes that false democracy would love so much to see.

Eric Lim (lpc1998)


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