Re: [WDDM] Elite, the old frontier

["Toth's TzolKin Table Knight nr. 0" <s.ace(at)orange.nl>]

i, s'ace in whatever role you resonate as your authentic self ... pivote-us,
cosmogermitator, chief chaos2order

you  can for instance say a thing to  mr. Peter Merry
<peter(at)humanemergence.nl>
who is trusted to be the man who organises "human emergence" stuff in the
Netherlands by ... guys as ken wilber, don beck (clare) & andrew cohen
(enlightenmentnext) ... which is a job where peter brings in his brother ,
XXXXXXXXXXXXmerry (christmas? every body!) ...advising:

CUT THE CRAP (crop?) !!!!

And i am in some kind of love with  Peter's brother ...
but (recall) who is peter?

PAN

Planetary Art Network????

can we be in contact wioth peter "who has experiences" ????

will WE mail peter??? PAN!

sure master "s'Ace", we will mail peter ... if it were only for expressing
our awarenaess  ot the STATE of the situation within the Quadrant that we
are ourselcves AWARE of(f) :>: who is representing us in the integral
governance sphere  thas is  musing  (not a-musing) us (humanisitic mutual
connected fellows here on this planet)
...
(sorry for my state ! of awareness right now, i consumed some belgian beer
in a wonderfull evening talking with some local and unlocal guys over here
who seemed to be delightfully irritated about the things sayd by outr core
political party leaders balkenende, bos (bush?left), rutte, marijnnisse,
halsema & rouvoet and media-brokers witteman and (what was his name?) ....


okay okay okay ... its is about trade and (virtual?) market and (spiritually
connected people?) ....

and in the meanT i'me ...
future history recalling arguments

s'ace


----- Original Message -----
From: "Giorgio Menon" <giorgio.menon(at)pd.infn.it>
To: <wddm@world-wide-democracy.net>
Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 1:55 PM
Subject: Re: [WDDM] Elite, the old frontier


> Pras Anand wrote:
>
> > I don't understand the elite idea. I am not creating a new elitist
> > system. But I am also saying that not everyone is equal. (snip) Why
> > should everyone be equal?
>
> Hi Pras,
> i do understand you point but i have difficulties to accept it.
> Paradoxically you've answered to your own question when you've stated:
> "I've been living near the poverty line for the last 10 years or so, lived
> in hostels, friends couches etc.."
> That's a good enough reason to be equal. Exploitation begets difference.
> As long as one eats gourmet's food and sleeps in a king size waterbed in a
> house with airconditioning and central heating inequality might be a good
> thing. But not if you're in the wrong side of the fence with vicious dogs
> barking at you.
> So it suprise me (a lot, actually) that someone in your position is
> sustaining inequality.
>
> > Why should everyone be equal? This is not the way things work, there is
> > no possible situation where this would be possible.
>
> This is historically false. Mankind has lived without casts and elites for
> most of his life. If the history of the human race began at midnight, then
> we would now be almost at the end of our first day. We lived as
> hunter-gatherers for nearly the whole of that day, from midnight through
> dawn, noon, and sunset.
> Finally, at 11:54 p.m., we adopted agriculture. And with agricolture cames
> the surplus and the necessity to defend it and distribute it. Thus casts
> and parassites like policemen and judges and kings on top (usually with a
> special relationship with god-whatever this may ever mean). So it went.
> We're now living this social stratification and justify it (thanks to the
> same casts who, of course, have no interests in sharing their benefits)
> but it's only 6 minutes ago that it started, while for the rest of the day
> we've lived in societies without inequalities.
> If you like to know more go here:
> http://www.mc.maricopa.edu/dept/d10/asb/anthro2003/lifeways/hg_ag/worst_mistake.html
> This is the most interesting article about it i've ever read. By the way
> Jared Diamond has written excellent books: "Guns, Germs and Steel" and
> "Collapse", both deserving a good read.
> So don't get trapped by the idea that we're not equal. I'm sure you need
> to breath and eat and sleep just like any other human. Anything else is
> more philosophical than practical.
>
>
> Have fun
>
> Giorgio