Re: [WDDM] ReQuest for Defining "a bottom-up origin"

[Antonio Rossin <rossin(at)tin.it>]

At 8:39 -0800 17-11-2006, Georges Metanomski wrote:

> Bottom-up? Nothing simpler. You need a drunken

> tramp, a ditch and a few vodka bottles.
> You poor out, give the tramp one glass and say

> "bottoms-up!", repeating the procedure till you both

> fall in the ditch.
> Bottoms-up
> Georges.

>
>

Hi,

let me forward a Jerold Hubbard's post to simpolicies-general@..

exposing the burden of  9/11 event onto the world's "Democracy"

in the light of the analysis of  "top-down vs. bottom-up" hierarchy

(and let the drunk drink in peace -- Georges).

antonio

============== fwd post =======================

> To: "Jerold Hubbard"
> From: "Jerold Hubbard" <jhubbard(at)pld.com>
> Sender: simpolicies-general(at)yahoogroups.com
> Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 11:58:02 -0600
> Subject: Re: [simpolicies-general] Democracy vs. Fundamentalism: a
> know-how
>
> Dear Antonio;
>
> I just came across a living example of the Principle you have gleaned
> out!
> "The effectiveness of COMMUNICATION,
> (answer) is a function of the DEMANDER'S FLEXIBILITY
> (open-mindedness)!"
> Many might say, that Antonio's psychology like approach is nice, but
> how relevant and important is it to implementing the SIMPOL Policy? I
> say without it,
>
> SIMPOL will not be able to CREATE THE RIGHT ENVIRONMENT to establish
> the type of TRANSPARENCY NEEDED IN SIMPOL"S GOVERNING! Why?
>
> I will give you a living example that dealt with an event that not
> only affected local communities, but the whole nation and globe.
>
> LAYING THE ABSTRACTS OF THE IMPORTANCE OF ANTONIO'S FLEXIBILITY
> SYNDROME:
>
> Many time, those demanding ANSWERS and ACCOUNTABILITY of those in
> control, whether elected by them or not, HAVE BEEN PROGRAMED FOR
>
> SELECTIVE HEARING! And although it seems as though they, the bottom
> masses, maybe asking questions, THEY ARE NOT!
>
> THEY ARE DEMANDING THAT THOSE IN AUTHORITY SPIT BACK THE ANSERS THEY
> WANT TO HEAR! And anything less, WILL NOT BE HEARD OR ACCEPTED! Thus,
> communication is poised as a a simple questioning of those in
> authority over them by the masses, BUT IN REALITY, IT IS NOT!
>
> THE STATEMENTS ISSUED TO THOSE IN CONTROL MAYBE PRESENTED IN THE style
> OF QUESTIONS, BUT THEY ARE REALLY DEMANDS TO THOSE IN AUTHORITY TO
> RESPOND JUST EXACTLY AS THE GOVERNED, THE MASSES, DEMAND!!!
>
> Many who have been trying to implement, BOTTOM UP GOVERNING OVER TOP
> DOWN, will automatically say! ISN'T THIS EXACTLY WHAT WE HAVE
>
> BEEN TRYING TO INTRODUCE????? BOTTOM UP GOVERNANCE WHERE THE RULED,
> THE MASSES, DEMAND AND DICTATE THE ACTIONS
>
> OF THOSE ELECTED TO BE IN-CONTROL??????
>
> This theory is based upon ASSUMPTION!!!! The ASSUMPTION IS THAT THOSE
> IN LOCAL COMMUNITIES JUST NATURALLY "KNOW WHAT'S BEST FOR
> THEM"!!
>
> And to get governance right, all that has to happen is that the local
> communities,, the bottom part, must be able to communicate their
> wishes to those in authority and
>
> get their WAY!!!
>
> The problem is, many times, those in LOCAL COMMUNITIES DO NOT KNOW
> WHAT'S BEST FOR THEM!!!! ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY DO NOT HAVE
> ALL THE FACTS AND ESPECIALLY IF THE FACTS PRESENTED TO THEM ARE EDITED
> OR TAINTED BY THOSE TOP FEW IN CONTROL!!!!
>
> This is where FLEXIBILITY IN THINKIING, or MORE PRECISELY THE
> "LACK OF FLEXIBILITY IN THINKING" ..the inability to NOTICE
> THINGS THAT ARE ASSUMED TO BE TRUE, but are NOT, AND TO QUESTION THEM
> SKILLFULLY AND INTENTLY, NOT CARING WHERE THE CHIPS MAY FALL) ...is
> INSTILLED FROM BIRTH, to youth .....BECOMES CRUCIAL!!! Why?
>
> Simply because, if the masses have been taught that there are SACRED
> things, ASSUMED TRUTHS from birth. that are NEVER TO BE HONESTLY
> QUESTIONED, and to do so, AMOUNTS TO AN UNPARDONABLE SIN..THEN, IT
> BECOMES SIMPLE FOR THE TOP FEW TO CREATE CONDITIONS THAT WILL HAVE THE
> BOTTOM MASSES...DEMANDING THE SAME THINGS THAT COINCIDE EXACTLY WITH
> THE TOP FEWS WISHES; and the most sinister thing about this scenario,
> is... it looks like Democracy, it sounds like Democracy, AND IT'S
> LOOKS LIKE....."BOTTOM UP" CONTROL WHEN, in REALITY.....
> IT.....IS ....MOST ASSUREDLY...NOT!!!!!!
>
> THE LIVING EXAMPLE:
>
> There were several widows who questioned the President's view of what
> really happened in 9/11. They wondered how it happened, and where the
> intelligence was
>
> that had been set in place to notify or alert the public to such
> planned events! Upon their investigation, they found that many of
> these questions could NOT be answered! They quickly realized, that if
> they, representing the bottom segment of the government, were ever
> going to be successful in holding the TOP few's feet to the fire, they
> would have to have the help of the MEDIA! They would never get a
> general consensus from the public WITHOUT THIS ASSISTANCE!
>
> Today, some 5 years later, the TOP few have still not been held
> accountable for their actions! They, the BOTTOM few, recognize that
> the PRESS FAILED THEM! This part is true! They realize that the
> BOTTOM"S power must come from a consenous and the media is the
> only way this could ever happen!
>
> But where they went wrong, was whenever they tried to place the
> "BLAME" for their failure upon the "PRESS". The
> real blame lies in the fact that the masses in the USA have been
> raised and nurtured under the old hierarchy, RELIGIOUS BASED,
> UNFLEXIBLE SYNDROME, WHENEVER IT COMES TO THOSE THINGS CONSIDERED
> SACRED AND "ASSUMED" TO BE TRUE, and to the authorities whom
> they TRUST!
>
> If their religious mentors are saying, support the President, he is
> GOD'S MAN! Then that settles it!!!!
>
> Because of this upbringing, they have not really learned the fact that
> very few things ARE AS THEY FIRST SEEM, or appear, TO BE!
>
> The main reason that the press should not be blamed is simple because
> the masses, THE BOTTOM PART, THE LOCAL COMMUNITIES WOULD NOT HAVE
> TOLERATED OR LISTENED TO ANYTHING CONTRARY TO WHAT THEIR RELIGIOUS
> PEERS WERE SAYING!!!!! The BOTTOM MASSES wound up DEMANDING THE VERY
> SAME THINGS THAT THE "TOP FEW" IN-CONTROL WANTED!!! What a
> perfect dictatorship!!!!
>
> One which has the form of DEMOCRACY, but in reality is a
> DICTATORSHIP!!!!! And the RULED are demanding that the TOP FEW
> IMPLEMENT THE VERY THINGS THE TOP FEW DREAMED OF DOING!
>
> Why do I say this? A well known critic of anything assumed true, or
> that anything is sacred and beyond questioning,.. is the well known
> talk show host, Bill Mahar.
>
> Only two weeks after the 9/11 event happened, (an event which was at
> least in part was designed and prodded along by the top few, in order
> to make sure it went off, was an event in which the TOP FEW wanted to
> implement in order to have the BOTTOM MASSES, demand that the TOP FEW
> attend to the BOTTOM MASSES, wishes which because of 9/11, just
> HAPPENED TO COINCIDE WITH THE TOP FEW'S WISHES ALSO), Bill Mahar was
> holding a discussion on this event, and one of his panel members
> brought up the fact that not only were these Arab pilots, EVIL,
> through and through, but that they were also COWARDS!
>
> All Bill said, was that, whatever they were, they were NOT cowards!
> Cowards are those who fly jet planes well above the touch of their
> enemies guns and drop cluster bombs upon the masses below! Not only do
> they not commit suicide, they do not risk their lives neither do they
> have to see the consequences of their actions!
> He did not say the Arabs were not evil. All he said was that they were
> not COWARDS!
>
> This instilled such a massive reaction from the BOTTOM MASSES, that
> within two days, his talk show had to be cancelled!!!!
>
> Thus, we have the BOTTOM MASSES, DEMANDING THE EXACT SAME THING THAT
> THE TOP FEW WANTED!!! HOW CLEVER!!
>
> The TRUTH was the last thing the MASSES WANTED TO HEAR!!!!!! It looked
> like the masses were in a QUESTIONING MODE, after 9/11, BUT nothing
> could have been further from the truth! They were in a DEMANDING MODE,
> AND IT SO HAPPENS THAT THEIR DEMANDS COINCIDED EXACTLY WITH THOSE TOP
> FEW IN-CONTROL OVER THEM!!! How convenient!!!!!! They WERE NOT TAUGHT
> FLEXIBILITY, WHENEVER IT IS MOST CRUCIAL! They could not have heard
> the voice of GOD or the Truth, if it clobbered them again!!!
>
> Now, for the importance of what Antonio's principle is saying!
>
> This will continue to happen, NO MATTER WHAT FANCY GOVERNING SYSTEM,
> ONE MAY PUT IN PLACE.......AS LONG AS THE MASSES ARE TAUGHT FROM BIRTH
> THE "UNFLEXIBLE SYNDROME"! Why? Because this hierarchy
> installation, that there are certain people, religious leaders,
> teachers, beliefs, and SUBCONSCIOUS PRINCIPLES, instilled from birth,
> that are deemed sacred and to question them is a sin.....sets the
> MASSES AT THE, BOTTOM, UP, FOR SUBCONSCIOUS INFLUENCES AND
> MANIPULATIONS THAT THEY WILL NEVER UNDERSTAND OR EVER SEE, until, if
> they ever do, that it's too late
>
> for their actions to make any difference!!!!!
>
> Thanks for your time;
>
> Jerold Hubbard, USA
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Antonio Rossin
> To: simpolicies-general(at)yahoogroups.com
> Cc: simpolicies-general(at)yahoogroups.com ; Jerold Hubbard
> Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 1:07 AM
> Subject: Re: [simpolicies-general] Democracy vs. Fundamentalism: a
> know-how
>
> Dear Jerold,
>
> Thanks for your support!
>
> Let's agree, "questioning the authority" appears to be the
> *step-one*
> on a way --called Democracy-- where "the authority" is the
> elected
> Representative, or PM.
>
> On this way, *step-two* is one's retaining --awarely controlling--
> one's
> own individual vote, eg. by adopting SP as a means to control and
> drive
> one's PMs and Representatives towards, say, performing policies
> with
> a bottom-up origin and aimed at the people's welfare (not just the
> only
> welfare of the corporate money-holders)
>
> Of course, *step-three* on this way is the simultaneousness of
> implementing policies, according with ISPO's purposes. And so on.
>
> The whole requires flexible awareness, of course, for instance,
> that of flexing from the bias of considering the above *step-one*
> and *step-two* as two separate steps on two separate ways,
> don't you agree, John?
>
> (which "John" is not your "little Johnny" below,
> Jerold, but our
> beloved ISPO authority... to be questioned as well)
>
> Cheers,
> antonio

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Antonio Rossin - Neurologist
 ‚ Dialectical Philosopher ‚
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http://www.flexible-learning.org

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