[WDDM] Re: Giorgio

[Antonio Rossin <rossin(at)tin.it>]

Dear S'ace,

please make your last position clearer.

If you agreed with me, who wants "the authority" to be questioned

in principle from  family communication patterning on, you cannot

agree with most of the arguments of Giorgio, who wants the same

authority -- that is the upper terminal of any "top-down" hierarchic

communication relationship -- to be never questioned, in principle.

Bests,

antonio

At 10:29 +0100 15-11-2006, S'ace orange wrote:

> thanks
> giorgio,
> i
> agree most of your arguments ...
>
> let
> us/me dismiss the quest.
>
> s'ace
>
> "we inform presence, remember authentic
> self, formulate practise, express us"
> &
> struggle on&offwards breathing d'emos
>
> -----
> Original Message -----
> From:
> "Giorgio Menon" <giorgio.menon(at)pd.infn.it>
> To:
> <wddm@world-wide-democracy.net>
> Sent:
> Tuesday, November 14, 2006 5:38 PM
> Subject: Re: [WDDM] ReQuest for Defining "a
> bottom-up origin"
>
>
> >
> S'ace orange wrote:
> >
> >> *dear members,*
> >> *a profound comment of our fellow contributor antonio*
> >> *calls for a reply or even more a collaborative process with
> the
> >> outcome of a definition*
> >> *for what **"a bottom-up origin" actually is
> ...*
> >> **
> >
> > Bottom-up or top-down is a way to declare a society divided into
> casts,
> > where uppers casts rule, while lower casts work and generate
> the
> > nation's GDP.
> > So no matter how bottom-up a decision is made, sooner or later
> the
> > top-down hierarchy will chage it to make it work for their own
> purposes.
> > We should talk about their purposes then. I'm not an expert but i
> think
> > the US constitution is a good enough example to show how the
> best
> > intentions can become the worst nightmare in a stratified
> society. This
> > latter lacks the mechanism that guarantees equal opportunities:
> elites
> > will never leave any room to significant social shifts.
> > Yet this is partly true: people are in charge of the destiny of
> the
> > society and culture they belong to. So anytime is the right time
> to
> > change, if this is what is sought. History shows that the right
> moment
> > lasts just seconds, alas, swollowed as it is by the self
> referential
> > mechanisms of social stratification. No matter if democrats
> or
> > republicans, if tories or laburists: top casts MUST be functional
> to the
> > system which is essentially exploitation of the workers and
> huge
> > benefits for the upper casts. Yes, there may be slight
> differences in
> > the treatment of social inequalities but these must remain such,
> or the
> > whole society collapses.
> > So either top-down or bottom-up, we're talking about minimal
> differences
> > in the general footprint.
> > Besides history has shown that top-down decisions have been an
> excellent
> > solution at times: see the successful decisions to protect the
> Japanese
> > environment by top-down command.
> >
> > Bottom line: bottom-up guarantees just nothing; there's a
> plethora of
> > other factors to consider.
> >
> > Just my 2c, of course
> >
> > Giorgio
> >
> >
> >