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00769: [WDDM] Re: Giorgio
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Antonio Rossin <rossin(at)tin.it> |
Date: |
Thu, 16 Nov 2006 15:05:59 +0100 |
Subject: |
[WDDM] Re: Giorgio |
Dear S'ace,
please make your last position clearer.
If you agreed with me, who wants "the authority" to be
questioned
in principle from family communication patterning on, you
cannot
agree with most of the arguments of Giorgio, who wants the
same
authority -- that is the upper terminal of any "top-down"
hierarchic
communication relationship -- to be never questioned, in
principle.
Bests,
antonio
At 10:29 +0100 15-11-2006, S'ace orange wrote:
thanks
giorgio,
i
agree most of your arguments ...
let
us/me dismiss the quest.
s'ace
"we inform presence, remember authentic
self, formulate practise, express us"
&
struggle on&offwards breathing d'emos
-----
Original Message -----
From:
"Giorgio Menon" <giorgio.menon(at)pd.infn.it>
To:
<wddm@world-wide-democracy.net>
Sent:
Tuesday, November 14, 2006 5:38 PM
Subject: Re: [WDDM] ReQuest for Defining "a
bottom-up origin"
>
S'ace orange wrote:
>
>> *dear members,*
>> *a profound comment of our fellow contributor antonio*
>> *calls for a reply or even more a collaborative process with
the
>> outcome of a definition*
>> *for what **"a bottom-up origin" actually is
...*
>> **
>
> Bottom-up or top-down is a way to declare a society divided into
casts,
> where uppers casts rule, while lower casts work and generate
the
> nation's GDP.
> So no matter how bottom-up a decision is made, sooner or later
the
> top-down hierarchy will chage it to make it work for their own
purposes.
> We should talk about their purposes then. I'm not an expert but i
think
> the US constitution is a good enough example to show how the
best
> intentions can become the worst nightmare in a stratified
society. This
> latter lacks the mechanism that guarantees equal opportunities:
elites
> will never leave any room to significant social shifts.
> Yet this is partly true: people are in charge of the destiny of
the
> society and culture they belong to. So anytime is the right time
to
> change, if this is what is sought. History shows that the right
moment
> lasts just seconds, alas, swollowed as it is by the self
referential
> mechanisms of social stratification. No matter if democrats
or
> republicans, if tories or laburists: top casts MUST be functional
to the
> system which is essentially exploitation of the workers and
huge
> benefits for the upper casts. Yes, there may be slight
differences in
> the treatment of social inequalities but these must remain such,
or the
> whole society collapses.
> So either top-down or bottom-up, we're talking about minimal
differences
> in the general footprint.
> Besides history has shown that top-down decisions have been an
excellent
> solution at times: see the successful decisions to protect the
Japanese
> environment by top-down command.
>
> Bottom line: bottom-up guarantees just nothing; there's a
plethora of
> other factors to consider.
>
> Just my 2c, of course
>
> Giorgio
>
>
>
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