dear antonio, franz, annette, bruce,
miroslav, pras ... and all/other related femmow human in one mission
...
what do we do first have a position and
then have a stand ...
or have a stand and then win a position
...
or create a thing as a
party?
what is a party?
i wondered this question deeply
...
and share with you the idea that a party
never could be a thing as an organism, an institute, a political entity
...
blunt ...
blunt told?
well, do you perhaps allow me to whisper
some arguments?
on the collective perception and on the
individual perception starting from our seperated positions the arguments are
described here. here i admit the both perceptional views may be useful when
united people stage is reclaimed, ... at last, as an exercise of thinking both
medalsides simultaneously.
arguments from the collective
perception:
* a party is a process happening, as a
birthdayparty, a rememberance, and still even a carnavalesk election campaign
"taking oneself at the nose in a carnavalesk party"
* the word "party" which until now
(proposed) co-laborated people can be whiped out from the planet, from peoples
vocabulaire (in stead: think and decide on other single meaning
comprehensions)
* (more things can be said, when we
can get free of the emotions that every now and then may come up te
resolve)
arguments to the individual
perception:
* "one man one vote" was a motto
mystifying individuals in the act of voting: deciding to select one other person
out of a list to do the job for "you" for a considerable number of days (say
about 1400)
* exercising decision making is for each
individual a "partytime" in maintaining ones collaborative radar free of
emotional memories related to poor, not so smart from the humanitary viewpoint
token, historic times
* (also here more things can be
said)
on the DD side ...
i am convinced that a DD practise as
collaborative fellow citizen job adds to the mutual understanding of what may be
the right decisions to take ... at the same time i think we have to have a
discourse where people have a stage to vote for there representatives. if such a
discours is still needed apart from the solution in legalizing DD strategies to
the governance decorum (also still needed, aint it??? ... eg. filling our media,
creative frictions etc.) then it comes in the dialogue arena to discuss
which alternative forms of mass-decision making can lead our mutual
& serious exercises to the unified systemical paradigm (s
word?).
may the well be and be with Y our
S,
s'ace
have your stand ... moving
( "neureebah" )
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 10:40
PM
Subject: [WDDM] Re: [d-europe] Re:
[WDDM] Parties and Politics
> Dear Franz,
>
> glad with reading of
you.
>
> I agree with you, but "a party for DD" is no "DD political
party".
> Let's suppose, any political party can be "for", i.e. in favour
of, DD:
> provided only it supports "Initiative & Referendum" directly
from
> the people bottom-up.
>
> ciao,
>
>
antonio
>
>
>
>
> At 17:49 +0200 26-10-2006,
Franz Isemann, MD wrote:
>>Dear friends,
>>A party for DD is
different from any other party, as long DD is really
>>practice within
that party. Einsteins message cannot apply in
this
>>context.
>>But a party for DD is a difficult task and
needs permanent selfrenewal.
>>In other words it needs a strong nucleus
of very competent and devoted
>>DD-freaks and also a very good internal
constitution.
>>Franz Isemann
>>
>>
>>-----
Original Message -----
>>From:
Antonio Rossin>>Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 7:23
AM
>>
>>At 0:51 +0300 26-10-2006, [Maria Ivanova]
wrote:
>>>
>>> Yes, I guess this is a good idea to
create a DD political party.
>>> As for us (Academy of Direct
Democracy, Ukraine) we see no way to
>>> create it for now but
as the idea it sound good for us.
>>> My best regards, Maria
Ivanova
>>
>>Hi Maria Ivanova,
>>Albert Einstein is
said he stated :
>>"We cannot solve the problems of a system by using
the tools of the
>>same system that originated them".
>>I
guess, all the ideas sound good for critical discussion -- yet
I
>>wholeheartedly appreciate the clear fact that your Academy sees
no
>>way to create a DD political
party.
>>Cheers,
>>antonio
>>
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