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00314: [wddm-list] Re: [cicdd] ( Stop the war! Make DD!)

From: Antonio Rossin <rossin(at)tin.it>
Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 09:02:14 +0200
Subject: [wddm-list] Re: [cicdd] ( Stop the war! Make DD!)

Dear Geoge Kokkas (and all)

Your memory is short;

It has not been George Sagi who made some criticism *first*
against Steve Mathe. It has been S.M. who *first* criticized
George Sagi's book "the Dream" dismissing it in an ironic and
disrespectful manner:

At 17:54 -0500 5-02-2004, stevemathe(at)aol.com wrote:
As I've said, "The Dream " is but a fiction story, with some cicdd
readers finding it disappointing that DD or WDDM was not stressed
a bit more, seeing that Georg was a founding member of WDDM.
But what the heck! It's an interesting story, and the proceeds go to
a good cause: The cancer Foundation, and to the Red Cross.

At that same time, on the other side of the balance, S.M. was
promoting "DD truths" such as in "the Illuminati" .



Btw, George's book - a fiction - is translated into Italian now, and
I will be pleased to send a copy to any one (except one) who may
ask me for.

The Italian translation of George's book has been a must for me,
because of the many meaningful DD suggestions that have been
offered all throughout it in a kindly proposing style -- not just the
violent fundamentalist dictates spread in the name of democracy.


Regards, antonio







At 6:46 +0300 1-06-2005, George L. Kokkas wrote:
Dear DD colleagues,

I am really sorry to read so much unfair attacks against people
of the DD community , who offered us a lot, as George Sagi ,
the real author of our Founding Documents etc! I understand
that he made some criticism first against Steve Math, but I
think that it is democratic responsibility for all of us to express
our views and ideas politely, as he did, if we have negative points
to comment for any cocitizen. Of course I don't know and I can
not support his comments for Steve, but I feel the need to help
stop this endless quarelling among Direct democrats.
I think that the best solution to our problems is to meet face
to face again, according to Jiri Polak's invitation in Prague, next
September (16-18).
Please stop this unfamiliar debate that brought most people out
of WDDM and CICDD in the past and is the main cause of what
you accuse now, letting us without political weight to add nowhere.
In any way there are DD struggles in separate countries that have
not seen worldwide yet, because of the lack of a strong DD site,
that seems to be organised well now, thanks to M.Kolar and G. Sagi.

George L. Kokkas
V.Spokesperson of WDDM

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----- Original Message -----
From: <stevemathe(at)aol.com>stevemathe(at)aol.com
To: <cicdd(at)yahoogroups.com>cicdd(at)yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 2:29 AM
Subject: Re: [cicdd] ( Reply to George Sagi )

To the conniving truth twister - the greatest gift DD is blessed with.

I can't work out your mentality Georgi in publishing such a garbled
twisted unprovoked hate letter. It shows sign of paranoia!  Perhaps
your self appointed philosopher friend Antonio could help to
straighten out your thinkinking?

Just a couple of points Georgi boy: 1) I didn't leave cicddd and
thus I don't need re-admittance.  2)  With you in WDDM, I wouldn't
touch it with a 60ft pole. Grow up man for heavens sake!!


In einer eMail vom 5/19/2005 6:25:28 AM W. Europe Daylight Time
schreibt sage2509(at)earthlink.net:

I don't welcome Steve Mathe, whose book, "The World Today Tomorrow,"
is a derivative of the ancient hate publication, "The Elders of
Zion" and its contemporary Conspiracy literature of lies,
distortion, and hatred. His book is totally anti-democratic and he
has no place in CICDD or any other DD publication. People like Mathe
are right-wing extremists, antisemites, anti democratic fanatics
and/or badly mislead individuals not having a rational mind.

Mathe was once advised to leave CICDD alone, and certainly not
welcomed in WDDM or WIKI, but he is insistent and uses his sickness
as an excuse to pity him and let him to return. I trust his return
is not welcomed by Mirek and WDDM members. Mathe may also be an
infiltrator...  I would resign my WDDM membership if his presence,
in any form ever, could happen. I hope not.

This is also a weighty reason for Mirek, to revise his WDDM web
pages, and put expansion recommendations into it--among other needs
of improvements pointed out by several of the new members.

George Sagi

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